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Message: Timothy I agree that that verb can be miss interpereted but what about the verse in 1 Corinthinans which uses "Arsenokoitai" which comes from the words arsen = “male,” and koite = “bed,” or a homosexual.[Irked]
gfj Tim magically comes up with the word homosexual for this Greek word:
733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace); from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: KJV-- abuser of (that defileself) with mankind.
The reason people use homosexual here is because it does have the word bed in 730’s meaning.
NOW 730 /árrhēn, "a male" and 2845 /koítē, "a mat, bed") fine and dandy,, but here is the magic from homophobes by adding a conclusion: – properly, a man in bed with another man; a homosexual. Note “a homosexual “ comes from 733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace); from 730 and 2845; a sodomite, “a sodomite” is changed to “a homosexual”. No hint how a bed and a male makes a homosexual. A homosexual as defined like a relationship that is heterosexual, in meaning to relate to usual behavior is one man one woman i.e. one man and one man or one woman and one woman. This is the meaning of gay or str8. And these are in a monogamous relationship. One man and one prostitutes is not considered in heterosexual norm. But is very much a heterosexual activity. Because later history teaching from the Vatican’s invented antigay doctrine using some 11 verses so they could purge leaders from office in attempt to gain more power over people, does not render Bibles words into the new power desire meaning’s of the Vatican. You need to know the immediate history of this word (first centuries) and you also need to know where Paul wrote the verse. Be sure to click provided links to see or view more details. Arsenokoites has a history from when Paul used it and it never was used to talk about gays in any fashion. My forum’ topic “Gay Is Not Sin” asks commenters to present facts. Using modern Bible can be a great issue because they come from WestCott and Hort, two very evil people that got the version to become the office Church of England’s Bible having 50,000 to 80,000 corruptions depend on the version you use. They also formed the Ghost Club which is required membership for any one world gov’t elite participant.
Timothy I'm tired of Homosexuality looking at one verse without debunking the rest. And for a second lets humor the fact that Leviticus 20:13 speaks about homosexuality. in Leviticus 20:23 the word says, "And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them." God hates homosexuality but loves the person and doesn't want them to sin.
gfj What was the manner of nations back when Moses wrote Leviticus? 12 major Greek gods, 35 plus Roman gods, Egyptians had around 8700 gods. What about ancient Israel? The ancient Canaanites worshipped much the same gods as did their Israelite cousins, except they appear not to have worshipped the Hebrew God, Yahweh. We know they worshipped Ba'al, Moloch, Tammuz (the shepherd god), the sun god, the moon god, Astarte, Asherah and many others. Timothy does not seem to know about the surrounding environment as God was talking to Moses on that Mountain. Most of these gods (goddesses) had fertility rituals. The most well-known is of course the “The Sodomites”. One does not have to guess with just minimum research that sodomites was not a word for homosexual. Sodomite behavior is in a ritual practice a man pays a temple prostitutes for sex. When Paul wrote Romans at Corinth it is known there were 1000 plus temple prostitutes for Aphrodite. We know there are 2 types of temple prostitutes one is female the other male. The male being the most sacred in those religions. We also know male temple prostitute cut off “junior” and dressed like a woman so he could more please the str8 men that came to him. We also know there were plenty of actual gays that lived like what we think of gays today’s gay couples. So using the Bible you can distinguish between gays and male temple prostitutes. In Jesus day check here and also Jesus stated the phrase “born eunuch” As for the actual verses Timothy used in Leviticus translating to English often and in this case the details of the meanings of words are not brought over in translation. i.e. Greek word for “love” has five words while English has one word. In English you must read the sentence to arrive at what form of love is being talked about. Greek no guessing. The word man in Hebrew in Leviticus along with other words in the verse has 13 possible correct translations to English. 3 actually can be translated male as it were, but doing so would render the sentence meaningless to a then present day Hebrew speaking person. The other 10 ways makes perfect grammar sense. All those 10 ways are very specifically saying a str8 man that previously had sex with a woman loving it. Also the womankind spoken of is a sexually immoral woman namely an adulteress in the comparison the verse makes. What God hates is you being married to Jesus goes worships at a Buddhist temple or the like. What’s more it calls for the death penalty and the custom of Moses’ day was the accuser stones to death the one they accused. You cannot assume laws changed so therefore you can disobey what Moses wrote. You can get in more detail about manner of stoning where that first stone is a large one dropped from higher up to land on the chest. Nearly all verse old and new testaments use of the Hebrew and Greek forms of the word abomination refer to acts done worshipping other gods.
Timothy It's similar to a father punishing a child He doesn't approve of and sometimes even can't stand what the child does but he still loves his kid. Look at the whole picture before you pick a side[Mad]
gfj Jesus climbed on the Cross to
pay the price you owed for your sins. The tiniest sin gets you hell, the work
of Grace on the Cross makes those sins cleansed. Obedience to God is to believe
God that he sent his only begotten Son to die in your place. He writes his laws
on tablets of flesh. Don’t be caught teaching the LAW of Moses that you cannot
follow yourself. Yes, the WHOLE picture is bigger than stating a verse as
though you need no other resource to explain it.
From: Timothy
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Subject: [Stables Ministries' BLOG Home of Gay For Jesus TV] New comment on One-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller,.
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 3:53 PM
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Subject: [Stables Ministries' BLOG Home of Gay For Jesus TV] New comment on One-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller,.
Timothy
has left a new comment on your post "One-God, Apostolic,
Tongue-talking, Holy-roller,":
Timothy I see where you're comming from on this and I can see where you twisted the scripture to fit your needs which many people do. But I have one question. let's humor your thought that Romans 1 wasn't talking about Homosexuals how would you defend 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 which says
"9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." Now "abusers" in Greek is Arsenokoitai which comes from two greek words arsen = “male,” and koite = “bed,” which translate the Hebrew for “lying with a male” which is from Leviticus 20:13
gfj It appears Timothy commented on my blog then apparently shared it on my forum and added comments. So no need to add any more comments here from me. "One-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller," was to point out the distinction between out to lunch Pentecostals that often profess all other denominations are going to hell and the otherwise what I would compare to Assemblies of God style Pentecostals. One says it’s my way or the hiway, the other says lets study it and learn. Of Course AOG fails this approach when talking about gays.
Timothy I see where you're comming from on this and I can see where you twisted the scripture to fit your needs which many people do. But I have one question. let's humor your thought that Romans 1 wasn't talking about Homosexuals how would you defend 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 which says
"9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." Now "abusers" in Greek is Arsenokoitai which comes from two greek words arsen = “male,” and koite = “bed,” which translate the Hebrew for “lying with a male” which is from Leviticus 20:13
gfj It appears Timothy commented on my blog then apparently shared it on my forum and added comments. So no need to add any more comments here from me. "One-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller," was to point out the distinction between out to lunch Pentecostals that often profess all other denominations are going to hell and the otherwise what I would compare to Assemblies of God style Pentecostals. One says it’s my way or the hiway, the other says lets study it and learn. Of Course AOG fails this approach when talking about gays.
